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I was issued a challenge.

I was issued a challenge to read an online sermon found here.
This is very long, I apologize and feel free to skip this entry entirely. It was a challenge and I took it.
After all, he called me his favorite atheist.
I did and here is my response.

"DEATH


Because we are human, we will all die. But long before our hearts stop beating, we will experience other kinds of death.
The Apostle Paul put it this way in today’s reading from Ephesians: "In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins."

Spiritually dead because of my disobedience and sins?
Ok, let's talk about that.
I am not a spiritual person, this is true but I am not dead inside.
Who is it exactly I am supposed to be obeying and what sins have I committed?
I know that I am supposed to obey the law, which I do and I obeyed my parents because that is what you do when you are a kid and when I was young and went to church,
I obeyed the word of God as it was told to me.
I feared big fish swallowing me if I argued with my sister. I feared walking along and getting spoken to by a burning bush.
I feared lots of things.

One is a lack of closeness to God. Jesus, who had a very close relationship with God, did not understand that reality until he was crucified. But as he suffered the death penalty for sin, he didn't feel God’s presence and he cried out, "My God, my God, why have you abandoned men?" There’s a kind of spiritual death in us as well, when we ask, "Why, God, did you let this happen?"

In most Christians beliefs, they believe he was the son of God. I believe that Jesus was just a man like you and me who was a little misguided, maybe even "crazy". He had a mother and father but chose to believe that he was the son of something unknown up in the sky. He trashed a church during a celebration. He had followers. They captured him when they could and punished him for being a criminal. He was crucified in the style of death penalty they used at the time. Maybe that is the reason that no one answered him when he called out eh? There wasn't anything really up there.

Another is a lack of integrity and a lack of commitment to God’s ideals. In Ephesians 4:18-19, Paul says: "People . . . are against God. They don’t care about right and wrong. . . Their lives are full of impurity and greed." When people exhibit a lackadaisical attitude about worshiping on the Sabbath or speak disrespectfully about people in positions of authority or think cheating is OK because everyone does it, it’s a sure indication of spiritual dead spots in their lives."

Do you know what my ideals are? have you been in my home?
I live by rules that are a good way to treat all human beings not because I fear being punished. I teach my kids not to lie, cheat, steal, talk badly about others etc etc etc. Just because I am an atheist, does not mean I live my life all lackadaisically. Oh hey! Look! Food in the store, I'm an atheist. I guess I'll steal it. Oh hey! Look, my neighbors cute husband, I guess I'll sleep with him.
Please. Give me a break.

Still another is a lack of contentment and hope. Listen to the words of Job, after he had lost his herds, his family, and his health: "Cursed be the day of my birth, and cursed be the night I was conceived . . .Why is life given to those who have no future? . . . I hate my life." When a person always sees a glass as half empty or always points out what’s wrong with the world or quits trying when problems or challenges seem too difficult, you can bet that there’s a spiritual cancer at work in his or her life."

Anyone who knows me, knows the physical problems that plague me and don't even say if I just turned to God, it would all be well. That's bullshit and you know it. It takes medical doctors with years of knowledge to fix medical problems.
I am not un-content in my life even with everything I have that is not perfect. I am a single mother, I have a back problem that causes pain, I have financial problems. Are these things because I have no faith, no hope and no trust in God? No. They are because I was born with some medical problems, I divorced their abusive father and I have been unable to work for a year.
My glass is always full.
I have the best friends anyone could ask for.
I have great kids.
I have a great landman who works with me.
I have great parents.
I am content with the way my life is right now, right this minute. Today is a good day.

Sometimes there is a lack of self-esteem. When people have a low sense of self-worth, because they were never praised when they were young, or they feel people and God could never forgive them for something they’ve done, it’s evidence that something has died or is dying inside them."

My self esteem is really good thank you very much. I was praised much as a child.


Finally, there may be a lack of love and mercy. How many people in Jesus’ day wanted to stone to death the woman who had committed adultery or have nothing to do with Zacchaeus, the hated-tax collector. When there is no room in our hearts to forgive others in the same way we want God and others to forgive us, then it’s a sign that we are slowly dying from a spiritual hardening of the heart."

I have much love to give and I do give it. I forgive those when my heart is ready to forgive them.
I don't really truly hate anyone even though I say I hate my ex-husband. It's his lack of commitment to his children which plagues me. I cannot change him but it upsets me. It's not a lack of love or mercy.
My oldest and I have been doing a lot of talking lately and much to my sons surprise, he discovered that his dad was the only man I ever, really, truly loved. The beatings changed those feelings but I honestly, have never felt another love so strong as what I had with him.

What are the spiritual dead spots in your life?


• Is it a sadness that won’t go away because of bad health or a relationship that has ended?

• Is it an addiction or a deeply felt grudge that you’re not willing to give up?

• Is it the tendency to worry excessively or a tendency to always complain?

I think I have already answered these above. I don't have any.

LIFE


The message of JOHN 3:16 and today’s reading from Ephesians is that God wants to remove the dead spots and give us something that will make us feel "alive" again. Listen to them again:


"For God so loved the world – Rollen Stewart, you, and me – that he gave his only Son that whoever believes in him, will not perish – will no longer be full of dead spots – but will have a new lease on life."


"But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much that even while we were spiritually dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead."

This is one of the many things that disturb me about people who preach. Yes, this sermon was about Rollen in the beginning, but to change the words to fit what they want to say, bothers me to no end. Here we are more than halfway through the sermon and they think I won't be able to grasp the message.

Being scientific, let's take this apart shall we?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but will have a new lease on life.
How do I know that this was Gods son? Where is your proof? You scientific proof that Jesus, the man, was the son of a ghost basically? Faith that he was is not a good enough answer thank you.
I take the second part of this, he will not perish but have new life to mean, that they will live forever in the house of god when the body dies and live happily on earth until then.
As I was growing up, I went to church, I mentioned this right?
I went and had to sit in the front 3 rows like all the children so that we heard the messages and paid attention.
My parents were and still are heavily involved in the same Church to this day. They knew many parishioners and we all knew each other.
I know many older parishioners who died. I know the cancers they suffered, the diseases that ravaged their bodies and all the while they kept their faith strong and prayed for mercy and healing. None came for some.
I will use my own families experience as an example. Mom, dad I know how you feel but please, don't be angry, just listen ok? You don't have to agree, just listen.
My dad was sick. He had basal cell carcinoma and when he went to have it removed, a doctor made an error and medications were not taken off before the surgery and blood started to pool in his body cavity.
For months and months he lost weight and was very ill. They didn't know why. They did tests and more tests and xrays etc. Finally, one test spotted it and a doctor gave him a new medication that fixed the problem. I do believe there may have even been another surgery in there. I can't really recall, it's been a few years now.
But during all this time, my family prayed and the congregation prayed for a "miracle" to save his life.
It was not a miracle that saved him. It was science. It was a sonogram or xray or ultrasound that spotted the mass and a surgeon who removed it and a scientist who invented a brand new drug to clear up the infection and the doctor who was wise enough and daring enough to try it on my father. It was not a miracle, but science that saved him. My mother says it was god who planted the ideas for the doctors to try the new drug. I say it was knowledge after years and years of study and hands on practice with other sick individuals that makes these doctors and scientists even smarter. Not miracles, not silent whispers, but science and knowledge.

Christ raised from the dead? Yeah. I don't think so. I think people were fanatical and hallucinated after days of not eating or sleeping but constant weeping. I know I see shit when I haven't slept for a few days. try it. Stay awake and barely eat for a few days and you too can have visions. As for the body being gone? Have you heard of grave robbers? There is no miraculous excuse for a human body to disappear. Remember, only the spirit rises to be with God in heaven. You can't have it both ways. If you say the body dies and the spirit rises, then that is how it is. You can't take his body and his spirit after three days. The body was stolen.

First, we are strengthened by God’s presence and the promise of a reunion with Him in heaven."
No, I am not. I get nothing from it at all.

Second, selfishness will give way to godliness. In 2 Corinthians, it says: "Jesus died for everyone so that we who receive his new life will no longer live to please ourselves. Instead, we will live to please Christ."

I do not do things to please myself. I rarely do anything for myself. My kids come first and foremost. The last time I bought myself new underwear was over a year ago. Why would I want to please a dead guy? What is up with that kind of thinking? He's dead. Please a dead guy who is dead. Uh, no. He's dead.

Third, pessimism and self-pity are replaced by an attitude of hopefulness and compassion. Look at Job. After complaining, Job’s attitude changes. He says: "I know that my redeemer lives. . . and after my body has decayed, . . . I will see God." Peter writes: "Because God raised Jesus from the dead, your hope can be placed confidently in God . . . So see to it that you really do love each other."

I have some self pity from time to time, we all do. I have hope and compassion but not because your god says I should. Like I said above, I don't believe he rose from the dead, I don't believe that he is a redeemer. I don't believe that I will see God. My body is not going to decay. That's grody and it takes up to much land. I am going to be cremated and tossed from the highest roller coaster in the world by my kids. They promised.

What qualities, that God offers through the gift of eternal life, do you need in your life right now?


• Is it an increased sense of worth or a clearer sense of purpose?

• Is it a renewed sense of humor or a desire to be a person of greater integrity?

• Is it a greater amount of patience or a deeper sense of inner peace?

Gift of eternal life? Bwahahaha. Oops, sorry about that. This stuff cracks me up sometimes.
My sense of worth is good thank you. I have a great sense of humor and I would have to say that my integrity is very good. I have patience. Boy, do I have patience. I have been waiting for a year to be treated for my back. Patience is my middle name baby. Ohm. Ohm. Yeah, my inner peace is good too.

In conclusion, I live my life the same as you Christians who would condemn me for not believing in God. I live a good, happy life. I live with morals and ethics and treat my fellow man as they want to be treated. I do it out of kindness and love and not because I fear whales or punishment or because I want to live behind some pearly gates. I live this way because it is how I want to be treated.
I don't believe that we need a set of codes to live by. I believe people can and will do the right thing if they choose. It's not Satan that pushes people to do wrong, it is their own desire to do wrong. I desired drugs and alcohol and stole money from my parents to do it. It was not Satan who drove me to do the things I have done in my life, it was me. I made choices, they were choices that I had to make and live through in order to grow and become who I am today.
No God saved me and helped me rise above my drug addiction. It was me. I went to rehab and got myself clean. I went to meetings and kept myself clean and yeah, they prayed at the end of meetings. I didn't because it was not God that pulled me from the depths of my addiction, it was me. I did it. I made myself want a better life, I made myself get clean and stay clean.
Human strength is overlooked. People look outside of themselves to God for strength when it is inside of them. It has always been inside of them but because they fear their own minds and their own strengths, they look to God to make decisions for them and give them courage to rise above and get through tough times.
I have always thought, and please don't take offense, that people who put so much faith in God and pray for strength and courage, must be weak inside. That they do not trust themselves. That it is easier to say that God will see you through then to get up off your ass and do it for yourself.
When I asked for help from the web community, people came and helped me. Perhaps some did it out of christian kindness but I think that people helped because if it was them, they would want someone to help them when they asked.
People ask God for all kinds of things, let me ace this test god, or let my doggie come home god or if you do this for me god, I'll never ask anything from you again and then they ace the test or their dog comes home and they swear to be better people.
You aced the test because you studied. Your dog came home because that is where the food is.
Put a little faith in yourself.

Comments

Very well said, Kat!

You really can't win with most Christians even if you do believe in God....because if you aren't following the scriptures as the church dictates, you're still wrong. I gave up trying.

I'll keep my relationship with God between me and God, thanks. I don't need to go to any church and openly praise/worship. Churches are social clubs, anyway. Places I clearly don't belong.

And I've seen more general and petty sin from so-called 'Christians' than I have any other groups of people, both religious and non.

Exactly. And I agree with the petty sin stuff. It is amazing what so called good christians do and say when they think they can get away with it. But you know, they have that whole repent and it's all good thing going for them. If they ask for forgiveness for doing wrong, it's granted to them in their religions. They don't fear any real consequences. They just have to ask and all is well.

Woo Hoo...you said it way better than I ever could. Just because I am NOT Christian does not mean I lack morals. I am raising two daughters and also teach them not to steal, kill, maim, lie, etc. One does not have to be Christian to raise children and have a fullfilling life.
Jesus was just a man, in my beliefs too. He was not the son of god. And you know how things are with fables, rumors, gossip...things get changed and blown out of proportion to make a hero for the followers to believe in. Ummm...and the bible was written by man...not god's words. Etc...OIY! I could go on...
You have said it much better than I. You go girl! HUGS!

All,
I think you missed the point of the sermon (or I saw it in a different way). This sermon is all about the difference between Christians who treat God as Santa Claus who doles out gifts if you're good and misery if you're bad.

Kat,
Your response should be required reading for many evangelicals and many church leaders. Your view of this sermon, which I consider uplifting, is evidence of how past interactions with the church and Christians have jaded your view of Christianity in general.

Surprisingly, there are many our your views that I agree with. But I DO take offense "that people who put so much faith in God and pray for strength and courage, must be weak inside." Anyone who sits back and assumes God will see them through does understand Jesus' words. The lady discussed in the conclusion, for example, was definately not "weak inside".

I know from personal experience, because she was my mother.

JFH, I don't see him as a Santa Claus who does good if you do good and bad if you are bad. I don't see him as a 'thing' at all other than a fairy tale.

I am sorry that that was your mother. Notice, that I did not discuss the woman at the end but my own experiences with his so-called miracles. I also said it was my opinion.

My view is jaded, you are right but it does not mean that I don't understand and can comprehend new things. I have studied religion.

It is my belief that people do put too much faith into God. They really believe with all their might that he will save them and uplift them and allow them to live in the kingdom with him when they die.

Won't it be a shock when they just die.

JFH, P.S.
My past interactions with the church, as much as it may sound like I am angry or scared is not all that you see. I was raised protestant. It was a nice church. They taught nice things, we sang nice songs. It's just the parts I remember as a kid about whales and bushes and magical things like turning to salt, walking on water, turning water to wine, that make me look at the whole thing as a farce. As a a story written by people who could write fantastical stories.
I remember very clearly Lazarus rising from the dead. Wow. Quite a story there.
I also remember praying for people. I remember at the end of every sunday sermon having to pray for those who were sick and dying and remember very clearly bowing my head and praying for god to save them. No saving came. No miracles ever fell on our little church. People died. That was the beginning of my questioning. If you pray to him, he will answer they said and we ALL prayed. We all bowed our heads and prayed on Sundays and at every meal and I played in the band at church and I did what I was told and I sang in the choir and I did what i was told and he was supposed to answer. No answers came.
How can I put any faith into something that never worked? Science works.
It answers you.
If you ask science a question, you get an answer back. It is tangible.
It does not require that I trust it, that I put faith into it or pray to it.
It simply says ask me your question and I will answer you.
It's not anger JFH.
It's simply that I grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales like easter bunnies and santa claus and leprechauns.
I believe what is real. Right in front of me.

We can live our lives the best way Rilana, but no matter how we live it, we will always be told that it is the wrong way because we lack faith.

He says that we read the sermon wrong. That we are looking at god as a do good get good do bad get bad kind of guy. No, I took that sermon apart and answered each section individually. Just as I would anything else.

Love is not something I take lightly and that is what he says the sermon is about.

The question then I guess is this: Do I feel love from this thing up in the sky? No, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, no, I do not feel anything else is out there, up there, down there or where ever. There is no magical being somewhere writing me up as I write for questioning him and his word. I will not be punished upon my death. I will not go through the pearly gates when i die. There aren't any.

I get the impression that you have much more of a Socratic philosophy toward life and truth. In my opinion, that's a fine starting point for analysis, but all can't be explained by logical observation, statistical correlation and the experimental method.

Everyone believed in Newtonian physics until Einstein proved that his formulas are only approximations of concepts we STILL don't understand. It's been over 60 years and we don't have a unified theory of how the universe and matter work.

The universe, our world, life and self-consciousness are truly magical stuff. The more I learn about physics, chemistry, biology, evolution and practically any physical science, the MORE I believe in God.

Unfortunately, I obviously SUCK at this witnessing stuff, 'cus y'all who responded in the comment section weren't moved one iota...

It's not that you suck at witnessing. That piece normally would move people. But you are not just dealing with anyone here, you are dealing with people who grew up in a church, are badgered by religious zealots all the time etc etc. We have a much more stone faced approach to this stuff.

I want you to read something if you want to ok? It explains my ideas and principles much better than I can. http://www.secularhumanism.org/intro/what.html

I am a firm believer in testing everything. You should see the stuff I have taken apart just to see how it works. Broken stuff mind you but I took it apart anyway. The inner workings are fascinating.

Keep on witnessing if that is what you are meant to do. I don't want to try and change your mind. You have your god and I don't have one at all but that should not stop you from spreading the word if that is what you feel you are meant to do.


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