But and rebutt.
If you were following along, you are aware that Craig and I have started a dialog between us on the topic of religion.
His opener, my rebuttal, and now his follow-up rebuttal.
I took a few days, ok, more than a few days, to post because Craig spoke of some personal things in regards to his religion and how it's viewed, and while that is all fine, as I warned him privately, posting personal information can open up commentators to attacking those personal things.
I don't want to do that.
In Craig's rebuttal, he brings up the regional aspect coming into play, that yup, I'm in the bible belt, and that probably does have a lot to do with how I view religion in general, but I grew up in a mostly democratic state, I was raised Christian. I became sort of an agnostic around age 11 or 12 when my grandfather died.
The churches lack of answers set me on that path, and had more to do with my being atheist today than one would think.
I despise organized religion for it's money grubbing, it's expensive lifestyles, but I blame the lack of answers for the main reason I dislike religion in general.
That's why I like science. It tests, it comes up with answers, and is always testing and changing it's answers and theories based on new information.
Religion is the same exact answer no matter what the question is, no matter how much new evidence is thrown at it, the answers will always be the same.
Oh and Craig, I'm far more conservative politically than liberal. There goes that theory that all atheists are liberal tards. *wink*
Craig brought up Jefferson's letter, the one I cited where the phrase, a wall of separation of church and state came from, and while Craig is indeed correct that it does not appear in the constitution, it is because of that letter that the first amendment came about.
Craig says that we atheists are free to promote that government have no say in religion, and even in his rebuttal, Craig made my point for me.
To be constitutional, a law must:
* Have a secular purpose, and
* Be neutral towards religion - neither hindering nor advancing it, and
* Not result in excessive entanglements between the government and religion.
He says our groups like the ACLU, are going out of their way to hinder religious freedom.
No, we're not.
We simply want the government to respect that government not interject religion into government.
That means, no 10 commandments in courthouses, no prayer in school.
Each of these things is a government funded and run institution, and by allowing religion into them, it hinders on the freedoms of everyone else's religious ideas.
Not everyone who steps into a courtroom is a Christian, and neither is every student.
These things must be taken out to ensure that every religion of everyone passing through those doors, is not infringed upon by the ideas set forth by one religion, Christianity.

Comments
Kat,
Glad to see you back and blogging. Love the rebuttal and you made several nice points. Only thing I'd say is I try to confine myself to absolute honesty and so even when I find a set of facts that might not help my point, I'm going to include them. That's why I quoted the "Lemon test." Because it's part of history.
If you think I'm campaigning in favor of religion in schools and the 10 commandments in the courthouse I might surprise you... I was citing those issues as examples of cultural change accomplished by atheist-oriented organizations, but that doesn't automatically mean I was Pastor Swanson (fictional name) to be leading Sunnydale High in the Lutheran Vespers every morning at 7 a.m.
Also, I chided myself for verging near the suggestion that all libs are aethiests and vice versa... and made it clear that's NOT something I believe. But I have to admit it is nice to hear that someone else on the blogosphere might not be canceling out my vote politically, LOL. Anyway, I need to take all this gab to my own site and my own rebuttal. But I'm certainly enjoying our exchange. Hope you are, too!
Posted by: Craig Hansen | October 14, 2007 12:40 AM